• Valentine Poole Palmer

Army / Flying Corps
  • 11th Australian Light Horse Regiment
  • Trooper B Sqn

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  • Birth

    Greenmount, QLD, Australia

  • Enlistment - WW1

    Toowoomba, QLD, Australia

Stories and comments
    • Newspaper article referring to Trooper V. P. Palmer 1919
    • Posted by Greenmount, Friday, 19 July 2019

    Toowoomba Chronicle, September 13, 1919, 11. Greenmouth Another returned boy is with us after four years of war, and all that goes with it. Trooper V. P. Palmer, who enlisted early in 1915, went away with B Squadron 11th Light Horse. He went straight to Palestine, and served right through the whole of that campaign: he was in the action under General Murray and also in all the gloriously successful "stunts" under that able leader, General Allenby. Trooper Palmer looks well; he says he feels well, did not have any sickness while away, escaped without a scratch during the whole four years' campaigning, and would not have missed the experience for any other consideration he knows of.

      • Greenmount
      • Friday, 19 July 2019

      Family Details: Valentine Poole (Bob) Palmer Born: 20th April, 1892. Died: 29th August, 1975. Valentine (Bob) Palmer was the eighth of nine children born to Frank Edgar Palmer and Elizabeth Palmer (nee Beck). Children and year of birth: Francis Fanny (1879) but died in 1881 so next child born was also called Francis Fanny (1881) to be followed by: Thomas Kelsey (1883), Ann Maria (1884), Dick Richard (1886); John Edgar (1888), Harrison Frank (1890), Valentine Poole (1892), Florence Jemimima (1895). Married Emma (Emmie or Em) Ethel Jentz on the 28th of September, 1921 in Toowoomba. Wedding details in Toowoomba Chronicle, 8th October, 1921, page 5. Emma details: Born: 12th August, 1898. Died: 27th May, 1966. They had sons Albert, Gordon, Alan, Valentine and Leslie and a daughter Dulcie. Dulcie married David Edwards. After the war Bob became a farmer at Greenmount. It was a mixed farm with dairying, grain, pigs, and poultry. He ran a stud piggery for a time.

    • Bobby
    • Posted by Greenmount, Friday, 19 July 2019

    War Details: Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918. Roll title: 11 LHR [Light Horse Regiment] - 1 to 7 Reinforcements (June-November 1915). Embarkation date: 10-4-1915. Embarkation place: Sydney. Embarkation ship: HMAT Mashobra A47. Returned on: Morvada on 30-8-1919. Family lore has it that Valentine became known as Bob after his horse Bobby. Even in old age 'Bob' affectionately remembered his best mate and was always bitter that the horses did not return home back to Australia. He graphically recalled how the horses were killed and then skinned by the Arabs in Egypt who had crept into where the horses were being kept prior to their destruction. He outlined what the troopers wanted to do until threatened with punishment or being stopped by armed troops. He said it was quite an emotional time with the troopers very angry. Bob ('Pop' to his grandchildren) had a previous horse to Bobby who was ill-tempered and was shot from under him. He recalled how the troopers were numbered off before battle and ever third man had to take a couple of extra horses with him. He had some close calls but not many and was lucky like that. He also recalled how they used Mills bombs in the Jordan River to catch fish. He served with some Aboriginal troopers who he says were good horsemen but often "kept to themselves" and some troopers were unkind to them. He repeated some of the comments that were made about them but did not approve. He returned to Australia on a ship with a number of Aboriginal troopers and said there were no problems. Coincidentially, one of the Aboriginal troopers on board the ship was Frank Fisher, the great grandfather of Australian champion athlete, Cathy Freeman. He always called himself a "five bob a day" soldier. He recalled that a 'lot of blokes' would gamble mainly at two-up and would and lose all their money. He had his 'meat tickets' as he called them which were his enlistment identifcation disc with his initials, surname and enlistment number. For over fifty years a colour postcard of a street scene in Cairo was tucked on the VJ boards in a room off the kitchen. On the back of the postcar Bob had written his name with the note, "Somewhere in Egypt". There was no date on the card. Bob recalled that he "saw some sights" while in Egypt but was reluctant to elaborate to family. He said that he was at Beersheba and collected a Luger piston from a dead German officer. The brand new Luger had a shoulder stock and was in a large leather case. He handed it in to authorities in the late 1960s. He recalled how some of the wounded troopers, despite their wounds, were shouting at the top of their voices during charges. Though reluctant to talk about his war experiences he would occasionally have a little chuckle about the characters and fun to be had with his fellow troopers. He said there were "some real characters and mostly good types". He also had possession of a small .22 calibre pistol from a disarmed Turkish prisoner. He said that the Turks would hide the small guns under their fez. He handed this gun in along with with his Luger pistol. He recalled guarding large numbers of Turkish troops and you had to be on your guard all the time. He said he saw lots of people who were killed and was alway relucant to talk about the war. On some occasions he would be terribly upset when something came up about the war. When pressed to talk about his experiences in battle he said that it was something that was not talked about. He did say that compared to a lot of others he was very lucky and got "the best of it" with where he served and the engagements he was in--nothing like the trench warfar that some "poor buggers had". He loved the interaction and friendships with his mates on service and had plenty of fun and some difficult times. Some blokes would always find a way to have fun and he recalled swimming at the beach in Egypt and the Dead Sea in Palestine and all the places in the Holy Land--though like most of the troopers was not particularly religious enough to appreciate the sites. His proudest moment as an older veteran was to march in the 50th ANZAC Day march in 1968 and catch up with some old timers. He was a crack shot who could shoot an eagle on the wing. Like his brothers and many of the locals he was a member of the Greenmount Rifle Club prior to the war. During World War Two his son Albert Edgar Palmer served overseas.After World War Two a son, Leslie (Les) undertook a period of national service. During World War Two Bob was a member of the Volunteer Defence Corps (VDC) a part-time volunteer military force which was initially composed of those who served in World War One. He was issued with a uniform. He also had insignia and other parts of his World War One uniform along with his medals, and some rather weathered Roman coins he found at the bottom of a water well. A story he told his children was that he had his appendix removed in Egypt after being made drunk on whisky. Bob played as hooker in the local Greenmount rugby league side before the war. He was also involved in local sporting carnivals. As a young man prior to the war he would take about a week to ride to Redcliffe for a holiday of a week then ride back home to the farm. It was a fondly remembered time. Like many of his era he smoked but later gave it up completely although many of his sons persisted with 'rollies' using Log Cabin or Capstan tobacco. Bob swore by his daily measure of White Horse whisky prescribed by a medical doctor following a heart 'turn' in this mid-seventies.. The war gave him significant hearing loss and he wore hearing aids (of varying usefulness) some years after he returned. He regularly purchased Golden Casket tickets but was rarely a winner though he at one time won enough money to pay for the wedding of his daughter (Dulcie). As an older man, and before moving into Greenmount township to live with son Valentine (Val) and Val’s wife, Beverley (Bev), he was keen on gardening. He kept a wonderful garden full of flowers and other plants around the old homestead. He also had a large wonderful orchard that was particularly appeal to his grandchildren which he worked at every day. He had many fruit trees of different varieties including nectarine, pear, orange, apricot, peaches and figs. He also had mulberries and several varieties of grapes both black and white. He also grew rockmelons and watermelons. Additionally, he had extensive vegetable gardens in the orchard with beans, peas, potatoes, pumpkins, carrots, onions etc. On occasion a two acre paddock next to the orchard was planted with pumpkins. Bob had a flock of turkeys for marketing and looked after a considerable flock of uncaged hens that supplied eggs that were marketed. Bob was a real gentleman who would ensure that he washed up,combed his hair and generally tidied his appearance before any meal. He would not utter a swear word in front of women and children, if at all. Some of his grandsons recalled being given a 'short back and sides' haircut by Pop using hand clippers. He was proficient at all farm tasks. He had a quite upright bearing until his later years and was lean in appearance and had the weathered and toughened hands of the seasoned farmer. After Valentine's (Bob) death his medals, identification disc, coins etc. were distributed to family members in accordance to his wishes and agreement between family members.

    • DIck Richard Palmer
    • Posted by Greenmount, Sunday, 11 August 2019

    Dick Palmer was a brother of Valentine Palmer. He served in France. {His profile can be accessed using the link under Relationships in the column to the right). Date of enlistment: 13 July 1915 Date of fate: 05 December 1916 Location on the Roll of Honour at Australian War Memorial in Canberra: Dick Richard Palmer's name is located at panel 144 in the Commemorative Area at the Australian War Memorial. From Greenmount, Queensland which is near Toowoomba.

    Colourised photograph of Dick Richard Palmer, a brother of Valentine Poole Palmer
    • Valentine Poole Palmer War Medals from War Records
    • Posted by Greenmount, Sunday, 11 August 2019

    Copy of section in War Records concerning the medals Valentine Poole Palmer was awarded.

    Valentine Poole Palmer War Medals from War Records
    • Elizabeth Barks mother and next of kin of Valentine Poole Palmer
    • Posted by Greenmount, Tuesday, 13 August 2019

    Elizabeth's maiden name was Beck. She became Elizabeth Palmer but after the death of her husband Francis (Frank) Edgar Palmer in September 1895. She later married again with the surname of Barks. Elizabeth Barks was the next of kin for two sons who served in World War I. The sons were Dick Richard Palmer and Valentine Poole Palmer. Dick Richard Palmer, died during World War One (see Dick Palmer link on right under Relationships). As the next of kin mother received his medals and personal effects which only consisted of a Bible. She received the Female Relative Badge with two bars for two serving members of the family where she was the closet female relative. This medal was passed down to Dulcie Palmer (Edwards) by her mother (Emma) and is in now in possession of one of Dulcie’s sons (Ken) but is missing one of the bars. Below is a newspaper story from the Darling Downs Gazette (Toowoomba), October 31, 1896, 5. THE WHEAT HARVEST ON THE DOWNS. No. X. In The Greenmount District THIS SEASON'S PROSPECTS. Better than Expected. At Mrs Palmer's, our next point of call, we found twenty-six acres of Allora Spring wheat eighteen of which was in very forward condition. An examination disclosed a slight touch of rust on the flag, but the crop has passed beyond the stage when it could be effected by this dread pest of the wheat farmer. The greater portion will yield fairly heavy but, as we found general through the district, there are thin patches that will reduce the average which at the first sight seems apparent. In another pad dock we saw a crop of eight acres which has just come out of bloom. The ears have filled remarkably well and now require but a single shower to ensure a very good yield of grain. About eight acres have been devoted to malting barley, but this is suffering from the want of rain. There is also a very nice orchard here which shows evidence of care and attention, and a number of apricot trees exhibit signs of an exceedingly good fruitage. Mrs Palmer who, on the death of her husband a year ago was left with six or seven small children to care for has nobly undertaken the difficult task of working her own farm, and success has attended her efforts. The neatness and general good finish about the work on the farm would put to the blush many men, who would be offended at not being classed among good farmers. It was pleasing to note that Mrs Palmer was apparently meeting with the success her energy and perseverance merited.

    Death notice for Frank Edgar Palmer. Toowoomba Chronicle and Darling Downs General Advertiser September 21, 1895, 2. Family notices
    • The Palmer Family - brief history
    • Posted by Greenmount, Tuesday, 13 August 2019

    The Palmer Family One of the early farms in the Greenmount are is Palmer’s farm in Palmer Road, off Strickland Road. It has been occupied by Elizabeth Beck and her descendants of the Palmer family since 1874. Elizabeth Beck arrived in Brisbane from England with her parents and four brothers on 17 August, 1867. The Becks first went to Felton and then to ‘Ridgelands’, Greenmount. It is believed that the Beck family sponsored Frank Edgar Palmer, who arrived from England on 25 January 1877. Frank Palmer and Elizabeth Beck were married on 24 August 1878. It is believed that they settled in the Strickland Road area, on the same property as the Becks. In September, 1895, Frank Palmer died leaving his widow, Elizabeth, and nine children. The youngest was born two months after Frank died. The eldest girl had died in infancy. There years later, Elizabeth married Tom Barks. There were three daughters of this marriage. Tom died in 1904. All of Elizabeth’s children were reared on the family property which (in 1990) is occupied by Elizabeth and Frank Palmer’s grandson, Les Palmer. A son of Elizabeth and Frank Palmer, Valentine Poole Palmer (known as Bob), acquired the family property from his mother in 1920. He married Emma Ethel Gentz and raised a family of five sons and a daughter on the property which was worked as a dairy and mixed farm. It was known for a time as Cloverdale. At one stage it was put under cultivation as a lucerne farm and later, when it was a stud piggery, it was known as Remlap. Usage has changed from dairying to a grain and beef operation. [V. and B. Palmer, Letter, 1990.] Extract from. Pennycuick, Rae. The Cambooya Story. 1840-1990. Cambooya Shire Council, Cambooya, 1991: 65.